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FinishOffGWone · Jul 04, 2012, 02:43 AM // 02:43

i notice alot of people in game complain about CoF HM and there heroes get massacred, well i just did CoF HM easy as, the only 2 party whipes i got, were in the corridor leading towards the stairs, due to stupid flagging of my heroes each time for both groups. i followed the wiki map's, and have to say with better flagging on my mesmers hero's i expect to no party whipe.

before any1 says anything, yes i know these builds are not special nor original.

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also at G.O.L.E.M hm, flag the 3 necro's to the left, with both discords at the bottom of stairs and the Xinraes necro healer mid stairs, and mesmers and rits to the right stairs at the bottom, u can either afk, or run between the 2 and support damage, help necro's first as they have little defense until there minion army spawns...works for all eotn HM "quest/missions"

will be working threw dungeons, and updating the success.

also works for WoC 8 man areas HM(all)

none of these heroes are runed up properly if at all

Andemius · Jul 04, 2012, 11:01 AM // 11:01

I don't think I've ever had trouble with CoF. Seems like any reasonable heroteam should be able to do it. Alternatively, 600/Smite still works there for ~40min runs.

I run Panic, Inept, Esurge, SoS, ST, UA, SF, and it works fine here.

Wielder Of Magic · Jul 04, 2012, 12:32 PM // 12:32

All you have proven here is that you can do CoF HM with subpar bars with heroes using subpar equipment.

I see nothing new here to be honest.

Rexx · Jul 04, 2012, 01:19 PM // 13:19

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i notice alot of people in game complain about CoF HM and there heroes get massacred

People complaining about CoF? WHY? It's one of the easiest dungeons to do.

People complaining about CoK, SoO, VE or Slaver's Exile...those i understand because they are challenging with heroes.

But CoF? With proper heroes & tactics anyone can do Cathedral of Flames HM.

Spiritz · Jul 04, 2012, 01:36 PM // 13:36

Dont forget that gw can also be completed with just hench .
My guild used to manage around 15/16 mins doing mqvq or unwaking waters vq 15/16 mins and we used no team synergy or set builds so it was a free for all .

And as Rexx said - with proper heroes an tactics anyone can so Cof HM - even 7 hero discordway with a few minor changes can be used - i made it almost to the boss in hm but ran out of time and had to exit gw , and cof i rarely visit.

The key to any area/dungeon is doing a spot of research so you know what to expect rather than load any hero builds an hope for the best.No use charging in firing off hexes to discover the foes have anti hex and hex removal.

Brightsides · Jul 04, 2012, 04:13 PM // 16:13

I did a run fairly quick with 4x RoJ an ST prot and discord without the minions, and it worked out alright. Struggled with the enchanted weapons, however.

akelarumi · Jul 05, 2012, 11:57 AM // 11:57

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Originally Posted by FinishOffGWone

also at G.O.L.E.M hm, flag the 3 necro's to the left, with both discords at the bottom of stairs and the Xinraes necro healer mid stairs, and mesmers and rits to the right stairs at the bottom, u can either afk, or run between the 2 and support damage, help necro's first as they have little defense until there minion army spawns...works for all eotn HM "quest/missions"

Or, don't split at all, go around over the left treetrunk, clean to the point where they all spawn, flag heroes bit spread out in the entrance to the area, run back to start the mission and run to help your heroes (or go afk). You don't need any special builds for that and it's fool proof.

Evaine · Jul 05, 2012, 12:22 PM // 12:22

In spite of what the nattering nabobs of pseudo-leetness had to say, I thank you for taking the time to post your team and your findings. I appreciate seeing how other players do things.

FinishOffGWone · Jul 15, 2012, 06:52 AM // 06:52

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Originally Posted by Spiritz

Dont forget that gw can also be completed with just hench .
My guild used to manage around 15/16 mins doing mqvq or unwaking waters vq 15/16 mins and we used no team synergy or set builds so it was a free for all .

dungeons are harder then normal vanquishes and HM missions..and yes i know GW factions+proph can easily be done with just henchies, but the henchies fail HM fairly easy in some areas (reason i know this, cus its my mule)

and factions VQ's have to be one of the easiest IMO(wich i sad when u compare to prohecies)...

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Originally Posted by Spiritz

And as Rexx said - with proper heroes an tactics anyone can so Cof HM - even 7 hero discordway with a few minor changes can be used - i made it almost to the boss in hm but ran out of time and had to exit gw , and cof i rarely visit.

and as u said you never completed CoF, cus "your time ran out"..if i had 1 gold coin for each time i have heard that...i would have bought every MINIPET by now,, infact without finishing it, you thoughts on this become nothing, not trying to be an asshole, but just saying.

and thanks to Evaine(AP)..yeah thats all my intentions were..funny how people have to spam a post to say how easy a dungeon is...but if they took 2 mins to go to Doomlore, they'd realise how many have trouble with this in HM...intead of asking ME "why?, CoF is easiest"...well no shit its easy, i did it with minor problems and not really knowing what...but i DONT know why OTHERS have trouble with it..cus im not the OTHERS...

plus i can guarantee 3 of these posters paid for a run..cus they just repeated what others had said, LMAO

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Originally Posted by akelarumi

Or, don't split at all, go around over the left treetrunk, clean to the point where they all spawn, flag heroes bit spread out in the entrance to the area, run back to start the mission and run to help your heroes (or go afk). You don't need any special builds for that and it's fool proof.

but extra back forwards?..i dunno,, i hate doing that..but thats just me, i'd rather be fighting ahead, instead of flagging ahead, running back, to start fight, then running ahead again..but each to there own

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Originally Posted by Brightsides

I did a run fairly quick with 4x RoJ an ST prot and discord without the minions, and it worked out alright. Struggled with the enchanted weapons, however.

really?, i found the quickest/easiest to spike, but i ran ahead and tanked them on my necro(since the rit healer has Shelter)

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Originally Posted by Andemius

I don't think I've ever had trouble with CoF. Seems like any reasonable heroteam should be able to do it. Alternatively, 600/Smite still works there for ~40min runs.

I run Panic, Inept, Esurge, SoS, ST, UA, SF, and it works fine here.

the point was doing it with heroes, cus people complaining/paying for runs.

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Originally Posted by Wielder Of Magic

All you have proven here is that you can do CoF HM with subpar bars with heroes using subpar equipment.

I see nothing new here to be honest.

so i have proven what you already seen?...LMAO mate, go pull what ever it is out your ass, u seem angry with the way u even type..nothing new??,,,then why are over 77% of PvE players still paying for CoF runs?..expecially when they take so long and u cant AFK anyway..CoF should not take more then 20 minutes.. 3rd room being longest and thats 12 minutes alone

Wielder Of Magic · Jul 15, 2012, 01:30 PM // 13:30

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Originally Posted by FinishOffGWone

so i have proven what you already seen?...LMAO mate, go pull what ever it is out your ass, u seem angry with the way u even type..nothing new??,,,then why are over 77% of PvE players still paying for CoF runs?..expecially when they take so long and u cant AFK anyway..CoF should not take more then 20 minutes.. 3rd room being longest and thats 12 minutes alone

My ass is fine, thank you.
Your reaction to my post however shows that you have no counter argument and are simply trying to bait me into a flamewar.
And your build IS nothing new, and even inferior ( the fact that you run discord x 2 and no source of holy damage whatsoever says enough )to most builds.
I am not angry, I simply analyse what I see.
Darn, I would love to see how you act in real life when someone says something you don't like.
People that react in the way you do should not be on these forums.
People pay for cof runs for rep, and because they don't care enough to play themselves.
It was like that already back in the 3 hero days when you paid 2k for a cof run.
It wasn't because you couldn't do it yourself, but because you didn't care, and it was an easy way to get vanguard and deldrimor points.
You are confusing difficulty with lazyness.
And besides that you are simply trolling by pulling numbers out of thin air.
77%?
Even if you played everyday for 10 hours you would not have met 77% of the PvE folks out there.
Come back when you can have a proper discussion instead of trolling and trying to bait me in order to hide your own logical fallacies.

Jeydra · Jul 15, 2012, 03:18 PM // 15:18

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Originally Posted by FinishOffGWone

so i have proven what you already seen?...LMAO mate, go pull what ever it is out your ass, u seem angry with the way u even type..nothing new??,,,then why are over 77% of PvE players still paying for CoF runs?..expecially when they take so long and u cant AFK anyway..CoF should not take more then 20 minutes.. 3rd room being longest and thats 12 minutes alone

It's because you can tab out and do something else while checking back every few minutes and still make money ... what else?

The build posted is not ideal, but it's obviously good enough to work against CoF, so yeah.

Relyk · Jul 16, 2012, 01:56 AM // 01:56

CoF isn't difficult as long as you bring interrupts for RoJ, ST rit so you don't eat the eles and mesmer, and hex removal for stuff like power leech. Discord will go through reversal of damage. Having plenty of pressure relief is important if you get hit by RoJ, disease, and other stuff which is done adequately with Rejuvenation, never surrender, and one copy with pwk. I will say you need displacement because of the enchanted groups if you don't happen to be a necro carrying Spiteful Spirit.

FinishOffGWone · Jul 16, 2012, 04:23 AM // 04:23

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Originally Posted by Wielder Of Magic

My ass is fine, thank you.
Your reaction to my post however shows that you have no counter argument and are simply trying to bait me into a flamewar.
And your build IS nothing new, and even inferior ( the fact that you run discord x 2 and no source of holy damage whatsoever says enough )to most builds.
I am not angry, I simply analyse what I see.
Darn, I would love to see how you act in real life when someone says something you don't like.
People that react in the way you do should not be on these forums.
People pay for cof runs for rep, and because they don't care enough to play themselves.
It was like that already back in the 3 hero days when you paid 2k for a cof run.
It wasn't because you couldn't do it yourself, but because you didn't care, and it was an easy way to get vanguard and deldrimor points.
You are confusing difficulty with lazyness.
And besides that you are simply trolling by pulling numbers out of thin air.
77%?
Even if you played everyday for 10 hours you would not have met 77% of the PvE folks out there.
Come back when you can have a proper discussion instead of trolling and trying to bait me in order to hide your own logical fallacies.

Fact=holy damage is not great even x2 against undead,, big wow, RoJ=best DPS in holy damage=to much scatter,, um yes i'll stick with 77% of players, cus even after i posted this, i still get messages in game on flagging, not to mention how many i have helped since this aswell, and im not confusing lazyness with people not being able to do it, some people can not do it, and are desperate to fill up there books,, i didnt get narky, i just pointed out what your typing seemed like and how it was read, enough said there, and the fact you keep claiming after one response "i am trying to bait you into a flamewar" just shows your pulling out the discussion because your getting angry,, if i wanted to flamewar, i would send you a PM like other people i did.

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Originally Posted by Relyk;

CoF isn't difficult as long as you bring interrupts for RoJ, ST rit so you don't eat the eles and mesmer, and hex removal for stuff like power leech. Discord will go through reversal of damage. Having plenty of pressure relief is important if you get hit by RoJ, disease, and other stuff which is done adequately with Rejuvenation, never surrender, and one copy with pwk. I will say you need displacement because of the enchanted groups if you don't happen to be a necro carrying Spiteful Spirit.

agreed 100%, but no joke, even without blocking, just the person player running ahead a tiny bit, using themself to tank, while heroes spike=fast enough the blocks are not needed...i did say i was gonna update what other dungeons this works in but no point...i think the part every LEET player missed, was this did not only work for CoF, i just print screened that since i see that most ran/bitched about in game...and personally i think Rragars and CoK are easier then CoF, same as Ooze pit, and this build tore threw them using this aswell, i just didnt bother updating after all the flame hate, also works for WiK and WoC NM/HM with minor adjusting for 6 and 4 man areas.

but hey i should of known posting on here, it was gonna end up like this.

Wielder Of Magic · Jul 16, 2012, 11:17 AM // 11:17

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Originally Posted by FinishOffGWone

Fact=holy damage is not great even x2 against undead,, big wow, RoJ=best DPS in holy damage=to much scatter,, um yes i'll stick with 77% of players, cus even after i posted this, i still get messages in game on flagging, not to mention how many i have helped since this aswell, and im not confusing lazyness with people not being able to do it, some people can not do it, and are desperate to fill up there books,, i didnt get narky, i just pointed out what your typing seemed like and how it was read, enough said there, and the fact you keep claiming after one response "i am trying to bait you into a flamewar" just shows your pulling out the discussion because your getting angry,, if i wanted to flamewar, i would send you a PM like other people i did.

Fact, in a place where a significant portion of your enemies consist of undead, holy damage is a no-brainer. And perhaps you should learn how to use a snare for RoJ? For me I always use binding chains on a specialised ST bar, but then again, I either run a non brainer meta build, or I simply build wars every area. My apologies if you did not want to be narky, I just pointed out that that was how I interpreted it.

77% is still a bullshit number however, and you pretty much make a fool out of yourself by sticking with a fantasy number.
Still, I am actually shocked by the fact that so many people ( provided your claims are correct ) cannot do CoF.
It means the average Guild Wars players is way worse then I thought they were.
Eye Of The North was created before the 7 hero update, thus was balanced for 1 player +3 heroes + hench being able to complete it.
Since that was possible, and henchman bars are utter shit, I am really shocked that with the option of 7 heroes, which means being able to bring every single OP skill with you, people still fail at a dungeon thats relatively easy ( pretty much the only dungeons that could possibly be a pain these days for the "average" player are probably Vloxen Excavations, Shards of Or, and Slavers in my opinion ).

Do these people read the forums, or ever visited pvx in their life?
Even while PvX is pretty much crap in the PvE section, CoF should be done with your eyes closed if you simply copy/paste the meta builds they have listed there and complete 90% of PvE HM with an empty skillbar.

The fact people actually fail at that really shocks me.